they all headed home with dad behind the wheel. in case you weren't done with all this royal drama, now begins a new great wait. what exactly are you going to name this little guy and when? nbc's jim maceda witnessed all of the fun and commotion from just outside the hospital. he joins us now live. jim, i understand they're going to go to their two-bedroom modest cottage on the grounds of the kensington palace estate. a possibly presentation to the queen tomorrow. give me a sort of run through the crowd. they must have been very much elated. jubilation all through the kingdom. >> reporter: well, there could well be. we'll see how this plays out. certainly there was jubilation on this -- in this microcosm here in front of the hospital. we saw it for days, if not weeks. very, very limited in terms of interest. some people, mostly american tourists, coming. it was maybe 50, 60, 70 feet

wide. today you had a football field on either side of us here. the longest rope lines i've ever seen with people who had come here to show their support, well wishers, really. things were relatively quiet until about 1800 my time, so about 1:00 p.m. your time, when it came out that we were going to -- we were waiting for guidance. the guidance was from the palace that the -- the royal couple and the baby would be coming out of the st. mary's hospital behind me any time after 1800. so immediately this place went bonkers, as they say in great britain. we had about, you know, 700, 800 photographers here braving the thunderstorms all day long and yesterday hoping to get the money shot, which was kate, william, and of course the unnamed baby on the porch behind

me just where 31 years ago the parents of william, chuck and di, as we used to call them, stood in the same location showing off their newborn. so it was a pretty amazing moment. how it plays out now, we shall see. i'm sure it's going to be -- if not, it will certainly be jubilation. maybe a little more relief than excitement because you can feel already that things have toned down here. we'll just have to see how it plays out now. >> and will's first words, said the baby has a good set of lungs on him and thankfully he looks like his mother. very much a new father. jim, thanks for being on. let's bring in msnbc's resident u.k. analyst martin bashir. from london, tom sykes from "the daily beast." gentlemen, welcome. tom, i'll start with you. from watching this, we've seen will make fun of himself a

little bit, saying thankfully the baby looks like mom. will is driving the baby home to the modest two-bedroom cottage, albeit it's on the grounds of a palace. nevertheless, there seems to be this appearance of we're just like any other young couple excited to have a baby. how much is the palace trying to strive for this at least illusion to the citizenry of the u.k.? >> i think it's just automatically the way that they do behave and they way they relate to each other and, you know, to people in general. you look at them walking out there, and what really strikes me is will with his shirt a little bit undone. you know, the sleeves kind of rolled up, putting the baby seat into the car. catherine helping him fasten it and jumping into the front seat and driving off. just like any other new parent. you wouldn't have guessed there were like 2,000 photographers and cameras waiting there to film that moment. i mean, he just looks like he's

just walking out of the hospital and just, you know, heading home. you know, there is the genius of kate, it's what she's brought to the royal family. everything may be crazy around them, but we're going to carry on as if we're normal, quite rich, middle class people. that's what she does. whether it's refusing to have housekeepers -- she's not having a nanny. she's not having a maternity nurse. you know what? people their age in london don't have maternity nurses. she doesn't want that life for her kids. she wants a normal life as possible for her kids. i just am so emotional. i just feel like so excited for them. it's just a fantastic, fantastic moment. i think jim really hit the nail on the head where he said people went bonkers. they really did. they went bonkers for this couple, bonkers for their gorgeous new little baby.

just wishing them all the love and happiness in the world. >> martin -- >> luke, what a contrast between prince charles, who was born in buckingham palace while his father was playing squash. here is this new young prince who's born in an nhs hospital, albeit in the private wing of that national health service hospital, and whose father is present and not only present but they walk out together to greet the crowds. both of them holding the young prince so that photographers would be able to capture moments of mother and baby and father and baby. then in a relaxed fashion talking. as tom was just saying, jumping in the magnificent land rover and driving off home to kensington palace. what a contrast. that really is what today has confirmed to all of us, which is that this is the next generation of the monarchy.

this will be the 43rd monarch since william the conqueror in 1066. this is a continuum, but it refreshes reenergizes. that's what this is. >> even as we get to the discussion of the monarchy, as tom was saying, there's a normalcy to these two that's refreshing. and you were talking about with diana, where she's pushing off this royal stuff. surely there's a choice. those make us respect and like them a little bit more, don't they? >> absolutely, toure. as you say, they bring us closer to the family because they're interacting more with ordinary members of the public. i don't think it was an accident that the first visitors to this baby were not direct members of the royal family but the parents of the duchess of cambridge. and i think that tells you that

although this child is, of course, an heir to the throne of the united kingdom, will be head of state of 15 separate nations that are part of a commonwealth that now spans over 18 countries, they still want to try as much as possible to have a normative influence on the child by sharing this child with princess catherine, the duchess of cambridge's, family. they are the family who are not aristocratic. they're not gentry. they don't come from any of those upper stratas of the british establishment. they are hard working, middle-class people. they have been very successful, but they do not draw their lineage in the same way william does. i think to your point, toure, this is about an attempt, albeit an attempt -- and this is early days. this is the first 24 hours of this child's life. the real challenge now is that

as this baby was presented to the world's media, there is that acknowledgment by the parents that there is in some sense the nation, the commonwealth taking possession of this child as much as the two parents who have so, you know, beautifully held him today in front of the cameras. >> martin, you talked a little bit about normal life as did tom. i think it's really important to note that the prince, prince charles, has right now 150 staffers. even when they got married, kate and william denied, you know, any staff whatsoever. how will that kind of normal life continue with this child in grooming him to become what really will be known as the people's prince? >> well, it's interesting, angela. you make a good point. in terms of domestic staff, they've actually reduced the number. they've actually beefed up their media and press operations.

i think what you're seeing, again, is an attempt by the family to choreograph and control access to this child. i think we should enjoy the moments we've seen today because i doubt very much that the cameras will be given the kind of access that they were given to prince william. i don't think we're going to be seeing that kind of access ever again. this, of course, is balanced against a digitized media where when this child, if this child goes to university, everyone has the potential to take pictures, to sell them to newspapers, to post them on facebook, to post them on twitter or instagram. there are huge challenges ahead. it's interesting. when prince william was at st. andrews and at eaton, the royal family arranged specific times of access for the media. so at important moments the media was given an opportunity to film him, perhaps to have a

couple of questions with him, to satiate the appetite. the problem with the royal family now is what happens when you go to a university and every single person is a citizen journalist, every single person is a blogger. that's the challenge. that's why they've beefed up their media staff. these two have a very large and very efficient team. it's almost as if the media operation is now equivalent to the security operation that applies to members of the royal family because these are the new fresh challenges that confront members of the royal family in the 21st century. >> indeed. a lot of americans in politics in other ways would be good to take that advice. tom, back to you. we don't have a name yet for this little boy. do you think that's because of family politics? there's a lot of things that must be considered before we choose this long name for the child? >> oh, no.

they have a name. they're just not sharing the name yet. you know, it's about reserving a little bit of privacy. they have a name, trust me. although, i have been entertaining myself trying to think of names they're not going to choose. so far i have fang. i have joffrey. i don't think they'll be going for joffrey. knute. i don't think we'll be seeing a royal child called north, south, east, or west. >> tom, a question about the royal protocol. obviously, this baby will be presented to the queen most likely tomorrow, possibly as late as thursday before she goes off to scotland for her summer holiday, as you call it. >> i got to stop you there. kate is not going to go for this whole we're going to present the child to the queen thing. she's going to be like, you know what, william, we're going to take the child to see your grandmother like anybody else in the world. you know -- >> so you answered my question. >> the world is changing.

yeah, sorry. carry on. >> no, you answered my question. the idea that this is the presentation of this exalted child to the queen. no, he's going to meet dad's mom. that's what you're saying. >> yeah, i don't think they're going to be taking it in, the lifting of the dome and saying your majesty and pinching it if it starts crying. martin is right. look at the way prince charles was born. look at the way prince charles was brought up. left alone for a year come the age of 2 while his mother went off on a royal tour. things are going to be very, very different. you know, i think that you're right. martin is absolutely right. the arrival of mike and carol at the hospital as the first visitors was a very clear telegraph of that fact. things are going to be different for this kid. >> to the point, tom, things are going to be different for this kid, do you expect him to grow up at buckleberry, which is more

of a normalcy choice, rather than be at kensington palace all the time? >> no one knows the answer to that question, but i have a hunch that the new prince of cambridge will be spending a lot of time at buckleberry. there was a story that was never really confirmed that william actually lent the middleton family quite a lot of money to buy the house. you know, william's worth $20 million or $30 million in his own rite from diana's legacy. there was a story that he lent them significant money to buy this house so they could have kind of a second base there. i just -- i feel like, you know, like kate wears the trousers in the relationship. i feel like she's not going to be, like, on for them spending all their life kind of weird live locked away in kensington palace. she's very much about trying to make stuff as normal as she can within the constraints that she finds herself, of course. >> and toure, you talk about

this being -- this property in buckleberry being normalcy. that small property cost 5 million pounds. it's surrounded by over 40 acres of land. this is not your ordinary property in the middle of a suburb of london. it is still a very, very prestigious old property in a village where the church bells will be ringing at 8:00 p.m. local time tonight, a church that is 640 years old. so before we start suggesting that the middletons live a normal, humble existence, we ought to just put it in context. it's a pretty impressive property. i, too, like tom, had heard rumors, although without any confirmation, because the family had, in fact, owned a much smaller property. and this one is much more secure because access to it is by a single road track that can be

controlled. so throughout the last week and indeed today, there is police monitoring of the area, which of course affords the kind of protections that's required for someone who is next in line and next, next in line to the throne of the united kingdom monarchy. >> martin, let's build on that point about normalcy. it is interesting that they want a different kind of life and they're a different generation, but some of it seems a little beside the point. kind of like when people celebrate warren buffett for eating at wendy's. like, that's fine, dude. you have a lot of money and you're not spending it. >> or living in the same house in omaha. >> right. i think what matters more in the buffett example, although that often goes in the stories, is that he has put money and energy and resources towards humanitarian projects. if he did that and ate lobster, i think it would be equally morally valid. talk to us about something you mentioned earlier, that they did spend 12,000 pounds to be in it the private wing despite the fact that many people in england

are rightly proud of their national health care. >> well, thank you for attempting to conceal your own jealousies about their wealth. i, too, find that difficult. one of the most touching things about what happened today was that prior to the prince and princess coming out with their new baby, all members of staff were allowed to align the steps. i can tell you because my wife has worked for the nhs and very proudly as a nurse, as a midwife, as a health visitor, and as a community staff nurse. these are people who are public sector workers. they do not earn a lot of money. they were all there as a reflection of the wonderful institution that the nhs is. and again, i have to give credit to diana for this because it was princess diana who said that she would have her children in a hospital in london. traditionally, royal babies were

not born in hospitals. they were born in palaces. her majesty the queen was born in a private residence in mayfair, which by the way, per square foot, is the most expensive piece of land in all of europe. so that started a tradition which these two have continued. but also, the other thing to your point about public service, diana engaged in a way on issues that had previously been either ignored or derided by many people or felt just inappropriate. for example, when she held black children in african nations that had been infected with a.i.d.s., it was a profound statement about how we should regard this condition, how we should approach this condition. when she went and saw land mines

and held children whose limbs had been destroyed, that set an example to the world. and her son has continued that. prince william and prince harry both head up a charity based there which supports orphan children. they both -- prince william is a trustee of center point, which of course is the homeless charity that his mother championed. so i do think to your point about warren buffett, yes, it can seem somewhat superficial if someone says, well, of course, if i'm worth $35 million and live in palaces, of course i can go and stay in a private wing of a national health service hospital. but give them credit. they are serving. i think they are following her majesty the queen's approach, which has been to serve so many charitable organizations throughout the united kingdom. >> martin and tom, stay with us. up next, relive the moment we all witnessed together a short time ago and get inside information on the royal birth

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>> well, he's got a good pair of lungs on him. that's for sure. he's a big boy. he's quite heavy. we're still working on a name. so we'll have that as soon as we can. it's the first time we've seen him. so having a proper chance to catch up. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> very emotional. >> yeah, it's very emotion thatt thattal. it's such a special time. i think any parent would sort of know what this feeling feels like. >> very special. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> it was. i'll remind him of his tardiness when he's a bit older. i know how long you guys have sat out here. hopefully we can get back to normal. he's got her looks, thankfully. >> no, no, no.

>> [ inaudible question ]. >> oh, we've done that already. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> he's got way more than me. thanks a lot. thank you. [ cheers and applause ]

>> next up was kensington palace. the assistant managing editor at "people" magazine joins now. julie that, moment reminded me of taking my little guy home from the hospital for the first time. put him in the car, drive home. except for all the cameras and the interview that day it coming out of the hospital, they did have this seemingly very normal affect to them, like two young-ish parents just trying to get through the day. >> yeah, i mean, it was a wonderful moment to see. as kate said, i think any new parent can understand our feelings. and they had a very real moment. that really is part of the reason why we love them so much. even though they're royal and glamorous and have way more money than we do and have lovely

cars and protection, they still have to do the same things. they have to get that car seat in. they have to make sure the baby is strapped in and get home. >> so julie, a lot has been said about diana's legacy and kind of imprint on this family. folks have even compared the dresses they wore, the smock-like dresses with the polka dots. can you talk a little bit about what other ways in which we can see diana's imprint not only on the family but maybe also on the raising of the baby. >> absolutely. diana, of course, always talked about wanting to have a normmon life for her sons. that was why she was so hands on, why she took them to amusement parks and went on roller coaster rides and took william on a royal tour when she was 9 months old instead of keeping him at home. i think you're going to see that with this couple as well. i mean, honestly, the only person in the royal family who knows what it's like to have a normal childhood is kate. so she's perfectly suited for this new role. >> yeah, and when you look

around the world, people are looking at these images. they're obviously sharing them on social media. what do you think is the most iconic or memorable image that's come out of all this? >> it's got to be that, you know, image of the new family on the steps. that's just the iconic moment. we finally saw a little bit of a glimpse of that baby. you saw his little hand waving, perhaps. you know, kate is bouncing the baby. >> yeah, he's great at waving. he could go into waving. >> this is a good thing for a royal. kate is the new mom who's carefully bouncing the baby, making sure she's not going to start crying. that was a wonderful family moment. >> let's talk about the celebrity industrial complex here. this, i presume, will be on the cover. every single person in the supermarket is going to look at it. explain to us america's fascination with this. i mean, we fought a revolutionary war to get away from this. why are we so enamored about

this? we're talking here on msnbc, the place for politic, about this. why do we love this baby? >> who doesn't love a baby? who doesn't love a royal baby? we don't have a royal family. we don't have to worry about hour tax dollars to support this family. we can just watch and be happy for them. you know, the prince of cambridge is already a front runner for "people's" sexiest man alive in 2040. >> hello. >> now, is that an exclusive? >> you heard it here first. >> breaking news here on "the cycle." thank you for pointing out to scrooge over here, everybody loves a baby. >> luke russert loves kids. >> julie, thank you very much. >> next, how this whole historic day transpired in london.

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well, it was prince charles who gave all of us a heads up at the royal departure and that it was imminent leaving st. mary's

with wife camilla, charles described his grandson as marvelous, adding, wait and see, you'll see in a minute. the middletons also spent an hour with their new grandson this morning. >> he's absolutely beautiful. they're both doing really well. we're so thrilled. >> how are the parents doing? >> fabulously. >> as for the brits, they're celebrating celebrating like it's the 18th century with a traditional 41-gun salute at green park and a 62-gun salute at the tower of london. the king's royal horse artillery also rode through the city. the bells at westminster abbey rang for three hours. nbc's annabell roberts is outside buckingham palace. any word from the queen? >> reporter: not yet. though, i think she's still at

home behind me. her royal standard is still flying. we expect that kate and william will take their little unnamed baby to meet her very soon, maybe even tomorrow. so that will be something to watch out for. she did issue a statement, of course, yesterday saying that she and prince philip, her husband, were delighted at the news. obviously, imagine the feeling for her. she's got charles, william, and now this little boy all lined up. she knows the succession is safe. she knows the monarchy is secure. also, she can sense the rising tide of popularity that there is for the monarchy that an event like this really brings out. i just have to say, you know, we do get headlines like this. this is the satirical news magazine "the private eye." on the front cover "woman has baby." then it says, "inside, some other stuff." you know, there is a sector of the british population that really isn't quite as interested

as some people would like you to believe. i mean, i've been down here a lot recently. i've done little interviews with people on the street that you bump into. a lot of them say -- quite a few of them say, it's not for me, i'm not interested. i'm delighted they're so happy. it's fantastic to see them and the joy of having a baby. more than that, enough. the blanket media coverage has obviously put some people off. but having said that, overall there is a real swell of celebration and joy at this event. >> martin, of course she's right, some people are a little cynical. a lot of people very excited. obviously, this is going to spur a massive monetary boom. lots of people are going to buy things related to the royal baby. >> they are. i think the context here is important. we have just had a varietiable supporting success in the u.k..

andrew murray won wimbledon for the first time. the english cricket team has just won the second test. there are five tests. they won the first. they've just won the second. chris froome, a british cyclist, has just won the tour de france. the whole nation is in this context of celebration. remember, we had got used to being very good losers in britain. it was a long time ago that the england soccer team won the world soccer cup, our national sport, 1966. yet, in this summer alone we've seen all of these successes. i think all of this has provided something of a diversion from what's been a pretty rough economic period, as you know. the u.k. was subject to exactly the same recession that affected this country, but the u.k.'s government has applied a series of policies which have been

austere and have produced almost triple-dip recessions. inflation is on the rise. it's now 3%, above 3%. unemployment is only just started to go down. in economic terms, the country isn't in a great way. and for that reason, the sporting successes and now this birth of a royal baby, i think, is a wonderful diversion from some fairly tough economic circumstances. >> martin, you obviously had one of the more remarkable interviews, i would say in the history of tv, with princess diana. >> i'm not so sure. i think some of your interviews with speaker john boehner have been historic. >> let me just jump in and say martin bashir is punchier on this topic than any other. you have to be careful. >> martin, we see here these comparisons to diana. she has the same -- diana and kate. kate has the same ring as diana. she was wearing polka dots when she came out of the hospital. she wants a normal life for her

new son, just like diana did. are we as a public putting too much pressure on kate to live up to be diana? is that just going to be the way it is? it's sort of she's become a jfk jr. type figure over there and here. >> well, quite potentially, luke. remember, princess catherine or the duchess of cambridge has never met princess diana. in her engagement interview to prince william, she talked about the fact that here was someone she had enormous respect for, someone who was to some extent a role model to her, but someone she'd never met herself. i think it's actually william who is the inheritor of the legacy directly from princess diana. i think all of these normal aspects of life, getting in the range rover, putting your baby in yourself, driving yourself home, all of these are attempts to reflect some of the lessons that william had from his mother. not just in terms of the way he

interacts with his wife but also in terms of the way he interacts with the public. prince william and the royal family generally were central to the olympic games last year. you'll remember there was that incredible moment when we were watching and james bond, played by daniel craig, actually went into buckingham palace and there was her majesty. she took part in this incredible scene as part of the opening ceremony. then i was covering the olympics. there were several events where prince william, kate, prince harry, and other members of the royal family were all present. so i do think that a lot of the lessons that diana learned and tried to teach other members of the royal family have been very much absorbed by her son. we are seeing now today the incarnation, the working out of all of those lessons. >> annabell, we talked to martin a little earlier about the discipline that it takes to be a

part of the royal family with the media. when the kids start going out to college, it's a little tougher to control. however, we saw a great deal of control yesterday with them waiting several hours to actually announce the birth of their son. so can you speak to that a little bit? i know there's even discipline now with the queen just now making the announcement that she's very excited about the birth of her great grandson. so can you speak to that a little bit? >> reporter: sorry, i didn't quite catch the question, about the discipline of the media waiting? >> no, the discipline of the royal family in announcing the birth of the child yesterday contrasting with when the kids are growing up and older and it's tougher to control, particularly in the day and age of twitter and social media where folks are their own journalists and don't have to wait for tv or radio. >> reporter: well, i think really what we've seen very much throughout this process is william and kate taking control in their own way of the media

bandwagon, if you like it, that surrounds them. they want to do things their own way. i think we've seen their hand prints all over this process of the announcement of the birth. there's been very little information given out. obviously, william, to a certain extent, he grew up in the glare of publicity as his son will to an even greater extent. there was this gentleman's agreement while he was at st. andrews, that those years would be protected. he did a few photo calls with the media, interviews and photos taken of him. after that, everyone knew they had to really stand back and let him get on with it. of course, it was there that he met kate and had the opportunity to meet her, to fall in love with her, for them to really get to know each other without the glare of publicity. really, i believe that he is going to try and carve out similar circumstances for his own son to protect him, to give

him the space, to grow up away from the glare of publicity as much as he can. obviously with social media, with iphones, with smart phones everywhere, that's much harder. one other point i'd like to raise, martin was saying about the tough economic circumstances that we're experiencing in britain. i think that william and kate's naturalness is really part and parcel of the same thing. they go together. william, kate have to be done to earth. he has to come out with his shirt sleeves rolled up, his collar open. he has to look like the rest of us to an extent because i think there would be growing resentment towards them if they were seen to be lauding over us, living a life of extreme privilege. they do have great privilege apart from carol and mike middleton's house, which as one of your guests reported earlier, there were rumors that perhaps william contributed to the purchase of that house. they've also been given by the

queen a property. that is undergoing renovations for them. it's a beautiful house in a beautiful part of the country in norfolk. they have that at their use. they've also got this amazing 21-room apartment at kensington palace. so people can see that. they can understand that they need to lead very different lives from the rest of us, but they do -- kate and will yom do need to keep a sense of normality. kate needs to be seen in her zara dresses, her high-street fashion, but for people to be able to relate to her and not feel resentful towards her. >> i think also -- >> we're going to leave it there because of timing. i think it's an interesting point, though. the pageantry and symbolism in the recession. i want to thank you and martin. i know we'll see you at the top of the hour on your show. up next here, reporting history. we'll have more news from kensington palace and jim maceda

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for a body in motion. nbc's michelle kosinski is outside kensington palace where the new royal family is now. and nbc's jim maceda is outside of the hospital. michelle, let's start with you. >> reporter: yeah, you can hardly imagine what they're thinking now, now that they're out of the public eye. it's just the two of them with their baby as far as we know. now they need to be parents out of the public eye. in fact, the palace hasn't confirmed that they have hired a nanny or a nurse at this point. they said those are details we're not willing to discuss yet. it's understood, according to reports, that they have not hired any staff like that at this point. what you're seei ining behind m the main building of kensington palace, 400 years old. they're expected to move into

that part of the building if a few months. for the time being, they're just on their small cottage on the grounds of palace. two bedrooms, reportedly no air-conditioning. that's where they will stay at least for the time being. some possibility they might take the baby up to buckleberry, kate's hometown out in the country side where her parents live. but at this point, we just don't know. now they have some privacy. >> well, michelle, thank you for that. jim, what is the scene like now at the hospital that the royal family has departed? >> reporter: angela, it feels like the end of a rock concert, that point where the roadies come out and start breaking things down, the stage goes down, the lights. if you're hearing the sound of crashing metal, the metal -- these police barriers, there were hundreds of them football fields in each direction that i'm standing, the longest rope lines i've ever seen, these are all coming down now. that's what's making the commotion. i've got to reveal to you that

as it turned out minutes before the big moment, the money shot, i had this extraordinary urge, which i've had for hours, to relieve myself and go to the men's room. well, coming back out, i got caught halfway back out to the original position and got swept probably 100 yards back by press moving towards the action like a magnet and behind them crowds coming up from areas where they were blocked off previously and then that street opened up. it was like the parting of the red sea. so i found myself at a position where i could not see or hear anything but was surrounded by the people. i've got to tell you, bonkers took a new meaning for me. surrounded by and listening to the reaction. now, the point i was trying to make earlier was that we don't know how this is going to play

out. it doesn't just depend on the well wishers that come here. one anchor for this whole family, i believe, is carol middleton. you could you could feel it earlier when i was out in front. you could sense that she just has a presence about her. if you talk to her, her he values are middle class values. it's all about hard work and family. i think if anything saves, keeps this emotion and keeps this good feeling going, it will be her role as the missing grandmother. remember, diana is no longer there. so she's going to play that role of the grandmother with that baby boy and perhaps this can keep going. >> jim, thanks so much for all of your reporting and the great information. some final thoughts on another historic day in royalland next.

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1,000 years. it's also something that is making the monarchy even more popular now than it has been at any stage since the second world war. >> terms of the popularity of the monarchy, real quickly, how important is this baby for the continuous, especially amongst the millenial generation that may not have been paying as much attention in recent times. >> that's right. they don't need to pay attention. the great genius of the institution is sits capacity to reinvent itself in every generation. here we see the generation that will take the monarchy through into the 22nd century. >> royal historian andrew roberts. thanks for joining us. that wraps it up for another big day in the history of the "cycle." martin bashir the resident royal baby expert takes us forward next. don't miss it. now sleek meets chic. extreme smooth combing crème defies frizz and fly-aways for up to 24 hours. vidal sassoon smooth.

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good afternoon. it's tuesday, july 23rd. and the royal baby has met the world. and it is a typically busy tuesday at home and abroad. and we will have much more from the world of politics throughout the hour. don't worry. but we begin with a jubilant 24 hours since we first got word of the arrival of the young prince of cambridge at st. mary's hospital in paddington. a short time ago, we got our first glimpse of future king aspirins william and catherine presented their newborn to the world. walking down the same iconic

stairs where we saw charles and diana introduce prince william 31 years ago. after a rousing applause from the crowd, the duke and duchess answered a few questions from the media. here is how that moment unfolded in its entirety. >> well, he's got a good pair of lungs on him. that's for sure. he's a big boy. he's quite heavy. but we're still working on a name. we'll have that as soon as we can. but it's the first time we've seen him really so a proper chance to catch up. [ inaudible question ] >> very emotion. >> yes, it's very emotional. such a special time. i think any parent knows what this feeling feels li